Mass import vs. suddenly full pedigrees?!

As y'all have already seen (I'll assume so, at least), the horses from the remaining EV have been imported to fill the gaps in pedigrees where previously only 'deceased' was listed.

As I've already posted in the comments, I was pretty excited about the theory - deceased did look a little iffy and whatnot.

What I am most definitely not excited about is the implementation. I have numerous second and third generation horses, around whom I had made plans for setting up my own actual lines from foundations onward (I'm currently training ten-ish foundation mares for that goal) as well as simply taking pride in them and using them to further my horses.

Some of these second and third generation horses had 'Deceased' parents. The parents of these deceased horses in turn were listed as 'Foundation'. I assumed (entirely reasonably I think; I cannot double check the F.A.Q. anymore but I am 99.9% certain that it said that 'Deceased' would be imported, not 'Foundation' as well) that this meant that when the import happened, the 'deceased' gaps would be filled in, as the F.A.Q. beneath the pedigrees hinted at.

Imagine my utter surprise and horror at finding my precious second and third gens suddenly having full pedigrees instead of just the 'Deceased' filled in. My Paints have been spared, thank god, but both the 3rd gen. Thoroughbred stud I have on my secondary account as well as all my 2nd and 3rd gen Mustangs have not escaped, and neither have my 2nd and 3rd gen. no breed, whom I have been hoarding and guarding carefully,

Is someone else as unpleasantly surprised and... Unhappy with this?

But it kind of... totally makes sense? xD It only list foundation previously because the game wasn't recognizing the horse in the deceased role. Once those horses were imported, if they weren't foundation then of course they wouldn't be foundation once they were brought back into existence.


I do understand that you're bummed but I think that was always going to be the gamble with deceased lines.

Last edited on 2017-02-28 at 14:45:37 by Wicked

Just so I'm reading this correctly, you're saying you thought that since "foundation" was after the "deceased" horse there wouldn't be any more horses after the "deceased" one?

"Deceased" is a cut off. Since this version of EV didn't have any more information on the horses in the pedigree due to them not being imported, everything after "deceased" (the first horse in the pedigree not imported over) was substituted with "foundation".
By bringing all the horses from the old version to this one, the game now has the information needed to complete the pedigrees.

If it were to only import that first horse, there would still be the missing parents of that horse to contend with (if the horse wasn't a foundation) and would make the mass import a bit redundant.

Ignoring that, if I'm getting this right, you thought all of those deceased horses were actual foundations. As you've discovered, that's not the case and is the reason why a lot of people wouldn't breed horses with "deceased" in the bloodlines back on old EV. So sorry this gummed up your breeding plans D:

Parents of Deceased horses have always been listed as Foundation no matter what the original horses were. This was a much bigger deal when people were able to delete horse records regardless of whether the horses had offspring or not.
As I understand it the Pedigree works in stages, so you can't just have a random deceased horse in there with parents listed as anything other than Foundation, because Foundation is the result of "Unknown" in the Database. There's nothing to look up for a horse that doesn't exist on the database.

I don't entirely understand...isn't this something that theoretically would and could happen, and therefore we just had to take our chances? I am not bugged by it at all, because I knew it could and would happen in some places when everything was imported...if I want to make my own line, I go get foundies just to be safe and cut it all off there. Otherwise, if the horse is desirable for my program, I build from equine center foundations. It's a game, and in RL, I would have to breed for a lot more than a couple generations to get my own line...

I must say I too had different expectations. I became a member after the recode, so I did not have a clear vision of how things were.

Yet I have seen horses in pedigrees that were stated as 'deceased', whose parents were 'deceased' and whose great parents did excist (but were either alive or 'in the paddocks in the sky'). So in my mind, a 'deceased' horse in the lineage meant a single horse.

This probably does make me naive when I bought certain horses that were advertised as and looked like second gen's. I have a few horses of which I was really proud to own (I still adore them, don't get me wrong, but some became nearly useless for breeding due to the large amount of incest in the lines), them being high conformation and second or third gen. As foundations before the recode could have a high conformation, as I've been told, together with having seen lines continued after one or more deceased horses, I honestly thought it stood for one horse, not a full bloodline (with 3 times a particular mare and even more often a certain stud in just one strand of the pedigree of one of) my former second generation horse.
I am still in the progress of checking my horses, so I have no idea what more I'll see. But it's definitly a bummer and a bit of a set-back.

With all the thought and good effort that goes constantly into every part of the game I did think this subject was not skipped and would show basic information like the true length of their pedigrees.

It's not possible. If the deceased (code word for DELETED via neglect death or deletion) horse is gone, so is it's family history.

Arty, I'm assuming you're responding to the comment above yours. If not then just ignore me ^-^
It actually is possible for a pedigree to have more horses after a "deceased" horse. Before the recode there were quite a few. If, say, you looked at the pedigree of a horse and the grandparent was "deceased", sometimes you could go to the parent horse's pedigree and find the parents/line of the deceased grandparent horse.

Sometimes you could see it sometimes it was completely gone, I never bothered looking into what caused it all to delete or some to stay so I can't tell you why xP

I thought my chinco's were all free from inbreeding. It's a total bummer to discover one of them has been inbred in the past :(

Now I feel like selling them all despite them being custom made by me. And those horses already had deceased horses in their lines before the recode. . One still has a deceased horse.

Last edited on 2017-03-02 at 02:54:03 by megansparrow

IMO I am happy that the deceased horses have been filled in. It makes more realistic sense to me that horses have long drawn out pedigrees. Horses in real life can be traced back to early origins. As for inbreeding, it was allowed in the earlier version, again inbreeding is used successfully in real life with positive results. Not an issue for me.