Mustang Breeders

Hey there EV!

So, I have a couple of questions for the mustang breeders regarding the breeding and sale of mustangs. I've got a lot of high statted stallions for public stud, and have for quite some time, though I'm lucky to get a breeding here and there. I also have one mare for sale with uncommon lines, solid color, 74 conformation, and over 700 stats as an 11 year old. She's priced to sell at 60,000 EVD, 10,000 under a fair asking price, but has yet to sell.

So, my questions are:

Do you breed to outside lines or only your own stock?
What's a good way to price stud fees and sale prices on horses? I generally go by 10x100 stats, give or take good conformation, color, solid base, and success at showing.

I know the mustangs took a drastic hit when the recode started up because of the dislike of the white patterns, but I've mostly sold off my white patterns and only breed for solid bases with the exception of roan, splash, or rabicano.

Just curious of everyone's thoughts! This doesn't seem to be just about mustangs, either, so if you have thoughts pertaining other breeds, feel free to respond!

Last edited on 2016-07-04 at 16:44:28 by ϟ ELEGANT

I've been having the exact same problems. I can't even get people to buy FOALS born with 500+ stats. I did read somewhere that people were getting frustrated with the amount of buckskins they are getting, and I have noticed this in my herd as well. I think most of the foals I bred in the last crop came out buckskin. I have started to buy outside lines with more stats and better conformation hoping that the people would be more interested.

I would say 10k per 100 stats is a solid price range, but I've had to downgrade the price on rare colors and high stats because people still aren't interested. I don't know if it's the art, or the hype over other breeds having nicer art or what but I certainly feel your pain. Makes me want to switch breeds entirely.

I used to have the buckskin problem on the previous version! Seems like all I could breed were sooty buckskins, but I haven't produced a buckskin in quite a while.

I definitely try and breed to outside stallions, and I browse sales every once in a while for mustangs, as well, but since the recode, I sold a lot of my stock because I liked other breed art better. I'm glad I'm not the only one!

I feel bad for the lack of support for the mustangs and often find myself browsing through the horses for sale from time to time and even checking out the studs..
I have to admit...I don't like the artwork at all...which is a big distraction from getting back into them...Also, I did try, after the recode, to make some foundries in the store and all I got was bays and chestnuts...borrrring...no rare colours at all after spending big bucks..

Another thing I have noticed thru a lot of browsing...and the reason I wont buy any, is either most of the horses for sale have either broken lines all over the place...or their stats are just tossed around thru the categories.. When I look at horses to buy, in this case, for example, we'll say an endurance bred horse... I want to see the numbers in strength, agility, and speed as close to '0' as possible.. Yes, of course, I understand that the numbers go down with breeding..but some of the horses have extended lines and their stat spread it just all over the place.. I also look at the two areas where the stats are desired... intelligence and endurance..I look for those two numbers to be as even as possible... if a horse has 200 intelligence and 88 endurance.. its too uneven..for me...but that's just me..

Here's what I like to see and if I horse like this was for sale..I'd definitely look at it. Yes, their lines are a bit pffft...but if I look at just the stat spread...sweet!

good stat spread
good stat spread
I'd love to start a line of Mustangs..and like I said..I did try..but limited colours in the store turned me off...

I too, prefer solids, rabicanos or pangares..the other markings look too 'fake' for me..

just my opinion tho... don't be hatin! lolz

Last edited on 2016-07-04 at 17:54:06 by WINDSPUN QUARTER HORSES

the broken lines are definitely a major downfall, but it can't be helped if previous players didn't log their new accounts, which is unfortunate! i have put countless hours, actual dollars, and real care into my mustang herd, too much so that i haven't been
able to give them up, but i do understand where you're coming from!

and as far as the store stangs go, i totally understand! that's the same with every breed, no matter what you try and get from the store, you're going to get a bay and chestnut every time. greys are even less common now, it seems!

thanks for your input, windspun! if you're ever interested in starting a herd, i do have some younger lined stock that are out of foundations that i'd be willing to sell!

Mmm I am only just getting back into things, so I'm only gradually starting to look for outside horses. But I have bred to two and bought two outside horses in this last week.

For me- I'm being picky on conformation, so I'm probably going to pass on buying/breeding to something that isn't exceptional in that regard unless they're cheap.

I also hate min/maxed stats. If your horse has 1000 stats and three of them are single/double digits I'm going to skip. (I realize I'm in a minority here.)

I've also just started a store project... current 32 horses, but thinking about making it 64 of 64 horses. I've put them all in a database and working out the best possible combination of crosses to maximize conformation breeding. I might be going a little over the top. Haha.

I got 4 "colours" (2 palomino, 1 silver, 1 white roan), 4 greys, and 6 blacks from 32 horses. One of the greys and one of the chestnuts carry seal brown too.

Last edited on 2016-07-05 at 00:06:15 by Almárë

i dumped the majority of my mustangs after the recode. The artwork for the paint patterns - which i was previously breeding for - was neither realistically portrayed nor aesthetially pleasing. And if I'm going to be looking at these horses for 20 weeks, I'd like to at least enjoy looking at them :P

I kept only 3 foundies and 2 lined horses, and have since expanded to a grand total of 11 mustangs :P

I don't breed to outside studs (though i'm sure i would were the demand for mustangs as high as it was pre-recode). there are 700+ stat studs available for less than 25k, so the former pricing system is clearly no longer in effect. that doesn't bother me, and i have no issue lowering the price of my studs.

as for selling, the 10 X stats seems to be overpricing for almost all breeds. people simply aren't willing to pay that much anymore, and especially not for mustangs. I had a second gen, 300+ stat foal finally sell for around 30k when they turned 4 years old

broken lines don't bother me, both because i rarely breed to/buy outside horses, and because i know they'll fill out eventually.

I'm with Almare on moving toward conformation as well as stats/color. A lot of mustangs are heavily lined, either for stats or for conformation, and those that have long, well-statted anscestors seem less likely to have good conformation since they weren't bred for that.

i also look for very high speciality stats and low non-speciality. pre-recode i wanted evenness, but now that high non-specialty stats affect showing so negatively I don't want them in my herd. This means that I will no longer be breeding to any studs or buying any mustangs that are not endurance like my own line.

Id like to start a fresh line of mustangs...I actually found a foundy in the rc with great sj stats..solid black..so I grabbed him... Ive created tons n tons of store horses... but never had so many bays n chestnuts as I got with Mustangs and TBs. I got many of awesome rare colours and patterns with the Appys and even with the Paints, Chincos etc

I focus most on the stat distribution when looking at foundies aswell.. I dont care what their ideal specialty is. I go by the numbers and layout..Im fine with assorted disciplines in any breed.. for me, it always comes down to the initial stat layout for foundies....and I just assign specialty based on those..

I do consider confo as well. Its part n parcel of a well rounded horse.. So would definitely also take that into consideration when starting a line..

Even tho we know that the 'deceased' horses in the pedigrees will eventually be filled , it still bothers me alot when I look at an extended pedigree and see 'deceased' scattered all over the place.. Im trying to avoid that , just to keep the lines cleaner...

Ideally, I'd like to start a line that would include cream dilutes, flaxens, sootys, pangares...and the odd siliver ( I dont really like the way silver looks on the Mustangs)..

Question: Out of curiosity....has anyone used the coat colour randomizer on Mustangs? If so, were you able to get some decent colours?? I know with the gypsies, anytime I used it..I got amazing colours.. If I was to start a line of mustangs, I'd pretty much have to use a coat colour randomizer on each one...lololz...

^I'm planning to use some coat colour randomizers for some of the better conformed bays and chestnuts of my new stores, I'll let you know how it goes.

EDIT:
From six times:
black,
chestnut,
perlino dun,
classic cream champagne dun,
smoky cream,
cremello dun.

And now I have no credits left.

Last edited on 2016-07-05 at 13:24:35 by Almárë

with my stangs, i'm definitely gearing towards conformation and color on top of stats, now. you are quite the odd one out going for even numbers, almare lol! but yes, in case you didn't know, high stats in non-specialty categories is a graveyard for a show horse, so just keep that in mind if you'd like to show!

i use marking randomizers on my mustangs that had patterns and i've been fairly successful getting splash, rabicano, or roan instead of the tobiano, sabino, or overo. overo is my absolute least favorite.

i'm currently trying to filter through some of my mustangs and only breed for cream dilutes and champagnes on solid or white faced bases.

cream and double cream dilutes are always my favorite.. I think my fav colour with all my breeds is dunalino...or any smokey creams..etc... I love flaxens...too... Might go to my sleepy hollow account and see what I get from the store...maybe focus on stores with decent stat spreads and just worry about colour conversion after...

I love the bald faces too...my thing is bald faces and 4 white stockings...breed it in my clydes and working on it in my appies...

Let see what kind of stores I get....and I'll try a few random coat colour changes..

Im not a fan of the overo pattern on the mustangs at all..but ooooo on my appies!! lololz...

ok...so Im making stores...and I am getting all solids...which is great..but they're all dressage statted...lol...only had to dump 2 out of 8 horses...wow...so far so good..lolz..
No cool colours...the only buckskin I got, I dumped cuz his stats were too scattered lolz..
Back to the store...lolz

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Yeah, I'm not really feeling the point of the showing system here, and tbh the whole 'gather as many stats as possible' goal is... not really an achievement to me. There's no skill/real effort (beyond doing treats/training/etc everyday). With conformation/colour breeding you at least have to put in some thought in order to do it well. (This is also why I don't like revealing the genetics of my horses.)

Then again, I'm not interested in selling/breeding to other players - if someone's interested and contacts me, great, but otherwise it doesn't bother me.

With the store line, I'm writing a script that will take all the conformation stats and compares each horse to each other horse and then work out the best combination of breedings.