Does the Phenotype and Genotype match?

So, I've been practicing my genetics on the game. Every time I get a horse I attempt to write down what I think their genotype is based on their phenotype. I'm getting pretty good at it, at least I like to think so. Anyways I have a paint mare that doesn't exactly look like a paint. She doesn't have any markings and is solid roan. I decided to get her genotyped to see if the roan coloring is homozygous or heterozygous and although my questioned was answered I was confused by something else.

This is the paint mare I'm referring to :|Just Lika Dove|

If you look at her genotype it shows
EE AtAt gg CrCr dd chch FF zz pp stysty rbrb Rn+ oo spsp lplp patn1patn1 patn2patn2

What confused me is I'm not sure if she's showing the correct phenotype. Her information states she's a seal brown cream with roan marking. But because she has a homozygous Cr (or double cream dilution) shouldn't she be a moreno with roan marking? If not is it because the roan marking overrides the cream dilution gene? and if so why wouldn't it just completely dominate the entire cream dilution allele and not just part of it?

I'm still new to the whole genetics thing so I'd like to know if I'm just ignorant and there is something I don't know or if this is some sort of bug.


**Genetics Guide states that
E- At- Crcr is seal brown cream.
E- At- CrCr is moreno

Last edited on 2016-05-17 at 09:37:31 by Stixs

Moreno is kind of a weird color, and one that isn't really "a thing" in real life. I seem to remember someone mentioning it as a name the artist who did the colors was calling it, but there's not really any definition of it in real genetics (or at least not one that's widely accepted.)

In my experience, the only horses to be called Moreno have the genotype "Ee Ata", but their images appear to be double dilutes, regardless of whether they have CrCr/Crcr/crcr genes.

So I believe that the way it's displaying your horse's phenotype is correct. Moreno is just kind of wonky in general.

Yeah "moreno" is just what the artist was calling it, and it stuck. The term itself isn't a thing outside of this game, but it's just brown perlino which people tend to lump in with bay perlinos because at that lightness there's not much of a difference... I just like to be accurate as it pertains to the genotype.

She should look like this...


Honestly don't know why roan is incomplete dominant in the game, but eh...

I'm aware that moreno isn't a 'real' term, but I know that the color is. Normally it would just be seal brown perlino. Which is only to distinguish the genotype from a bay perlino as Vos mentioned.

However, what I would like to know is....

Is the roan gene an incomplete dominant or not? (in terms of the game not rl)

Even if it was, why would her base color still say seal brown cream and not moreno?

I happened to find a moreno roan Here

And the only difference in genotype is heterozygous black Ee and heterozygous for agouti brown Ata which shouldn't matter because both genes alleles are complete dominant. So technically my horse should look exactly like this mustang (except less white hairs because my mare is Rn+ not RnRn), right?

Last edited on 2016-05-18 at 07:49:33 by Stixs

In the game, it is incomplete dominant.

Seal Brown Roan (Rn+)

vs

Seal Brown Roan (RnRn)

There seems to be some kinks to work out with brown perlino/moreno all-around, so it's not just you. The horse should be diluted and the patterning shouldn't override anything. Seems to happen with a few things (like some white patterns not being compatible with each other on certain breeds).

And the create-a-horse image I posted is how your horse should look exactly, down to Rn+. The E+ and At+ doesn't matter since they're complete dominant anyway...

Last edited on 2016-05-18 at 08:03:17 by ｖｏｓ ♚

Should I post in the bug board or is it not considered a bug?