Gypsy vanner colours

Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone had ever seen a flaxen chestnut gypsy vanner? I was looking on the horse search and I couldn't find it in the list of colours. Has anyone seen one??

yes, vanners can be flaxen. I have a flaxen mare (and a black based stallion that is homozygous flaxen but doesn't show it due to base color) in my locked projects division :)

What about flaxen chestnut???

Ruby, the answer was yes.

Flaxen can occur in gypsy vanners, BUT it will only be visible on chestnut based colors.

Ok I was just wondering cos it didn't come up on the horse search!

Well, Kahzie DID answer your question...

Ok thanks!

Vanners also come in Appaloosa FYI.

If you're looking to find out what colors are available for a breed in-game, looking in the "create a custom horse" section is a better way to see them all. You don't have to pay the 15 credit price to actually create the horse, but can play around with the genetics to see what's possible.

(And to my knowledge, leopard patterns ("appaloosa") are not available for GVs in-game, though many different pinto markings are. I believe it's a bit contested IRL whether appy patterns are available in vanners, or whether it's only present in recent outcrosses.)

I hate the term gypsy Vanners but eh. One app stud from the uk. Apollo
I really don't feel up to an argument but back in 2004 when Gypsy MVP came though I was looking at getting one of there mares. Was a stunning black few spot mare from appleby fair in the uk. Only app on the trailer. I have a thing for apps but the Romanian gentleman only had painted ones. An the mares spots was on her butt.

The problem really with saying that "this entire breed has this marking/color" and then only supplying 1 horse as an example is that it becomes a widely disputed factoid. The same goes for Roan on Thoroughbreds.

I think there's only one stud line (Catch a Bird?) which has "Roan" but I don't know if anyone has actually proved that it's true roan, or whether it's a mutation, a cross-breed issue, etc.

People will ask for Roan to be added to Thoroughbred on EV (and I have in the past) to then have other members get into a debate with those that ask for it, that Roan doesn't really exist in TBs.

So.. yeah :P sorry, random tangent onto TBs.

Last edited on 2016-04-15 at 06:36:46 by Abbey ♥

ok, thanks for posting!

Hey Abbey,

Catch A Bird's line is indeed the only line of true roan thoroughbreds. There have been horses registered as roans in the past but they were actually greying out or had some other color change going on.

As for if they're real roans, it has been confirmed that they are as far as I know. It's due to a mutation from Catch A Bird, which is likely where that funky coloring came from too.

Last I knew he had 6 roan foals, but only one has gone on to produce offspring (she's had 2 roans so far).

Edit: As for the vanner thing, from what I've read appy horses were more common before the breed became popular. Now it's fairly rare except for a few active lines being bred. When they crop up it can be a surprise. The standard paint patterns we see now are supposedly a fairly recent change in the taste of breeders, but it's hard to say with these horses since there's not a great deal of documentation early on.

The Hermit line is the most well know, I think. There's a mare named Apple that was floating around a few years ago. Not sure what line she's from. I think Apollo and his sibling Athena are part of Hermit's line (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

I know Rock Ranch Tom Boy was recently confirmed to be an appy under all that white (probably snowflake) but I have no clue about his line. His dam and sire are just listed as "foundation" so god only knows what that means.

I have no idea about Indigo's breeding. I'm still trying to figure out if he's even alive because the only time I see people talk about him is "Indigo's something something". I can't tell if his name has been changed or if they're talking about one of his sons.

My point is, they're known to be in the breed but the validity of the breeding is questionable. The hermit line is bred right along next to appy mini's, and that whole line is on the shorter side....so it's kind of easy to picture a cross going on at some point in that line's history. I'm not saying it happened for sure, but without documentation it's hard to say.

If I had to guess I'd say there were probably appys way back before a standard was established and breeders probably noticed that appy horses don't tend to get as hairy as other colors. That could have been a reason why they fell out of favor, but I've also never seen any proof that they were as common as the black and white horses. I think they've probably always existed but were never super popular. Otherwise we'd see them crop up more.

This is all guesswork on my part, I just think it's super interesting. If anyone knows more please share (or correct whatever I got wrong).

Last edited on 2016-04-15 at 13:59:37 by Folklore