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#218976 Posted on 2020-03-09 13:38:06

When does everyone consider a breeding line to be ruined?? As in if a deceased horse appears in the pedigree? If someone gelded their stud and then proceeded to name it gelding? (or other names but not really names) If you know a horse is overbred in the horses pedigree do you cull it? What does everyone consider overbred? 


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#218979 Posted on 2020-03-09 15:00:47

I'm quite strict in these question: for me the breeding line is ruined if 1) there is a deceased horse in the pedigree; 2) the horse is linebred or inbred (have the same horses in pedigree). 

I consider a horse overbred if it has more than about 7-8 foals, but I rather stop the breeding of my horses at 3-5 foals. If the community would be bigger and there were more horses and lines, it couldn't be a problem, but at the moment it is - at least for me.
I don't mind having a horse from an overbred one, but it may make it hard later to search for outside horses for breeding, therefore I think twice before breeding to that horse.

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#219003 Posted on 2020-03-10 10:52:43

Do you typically check the pedigree all the way back to foundation?

Also what are the difference between some say deceased you can still see the horse; some that say deceased, you can't view horse; then some say deceased in red.

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#219068 Posted on 2020-03-12 14:31:38

I was also wondering about this, because I have a mare whose dam is deceased, but she was a foundation bred mare and it says that on my mares pedigree. So, is that still considered ruined?


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#219069 Posted on 2020-03-12 14:45:34

If you can't view the deceased horse, it's probably because its records have been deleted. 

What is considered overbreeding is kind of personal preference. I usually only produce one foal per horse, but that's not the case for everybody, and I usually breed my own horses rather than using studs etc so I don't have tons of perspective on these other questions.


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#219074 Posted on 2020-03-12 15:49:53

Yes, I'm that kind of player who checks the pedigree all the way back to foundations... But it's really personal preference and I know that I'm far more picky with the horses I breed to or buy.

I don't prefer horses with "Deceased" in pedigree because in this case I can't decide if it was inbred or linebred which is a total "no-go" for me.


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#219076 Posted on 2020-03-12 16:24:49

Would horses that were once bred and then gender swapped, and then bred later on show as deceased? I know a long time ago I bred one and then swapped its gender. (Long time ago like horse #62148 ish) My horses are close to relics.

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#219077 Posted on 2020-03-12 17:13:32

That is an old horse! especially since now that is no longer something to worry about as you can't change the gender of a horse after breeding to it. 

Personally I never really consider a horse "ruined" by anything in it's lines, but I'm biased. Like you my lines are virtually ancient and from a time when there were more breeds and allowed deletion as well as many other accounts that did not transfer over into the recode. If I checked all the way back to the very start in most of my lines I'm sure there's be any of those things, but the lines I have stretch for 10+ generations in most cases so as long as there's no first page inbreeding and the horses are compatible I don't really care. 
Personally I try to use horses with less than 10-15 foals so I don't run into problems finding outside stock later. that said I don't get rid of my studs/broods if they end up with a lot of foals, I just raise the prices a bit every time they're bred to and that usually makes them stay under 15ish foals.

And the horses that say Deceased and don't have a link are from before the recode and before records were stored for deleted horses, which is why there's no record at all.


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#219081 Posted on 2020-03-13 06:37:16

I don’t consider anything ruined so long as they are capable of producing foals that outperform (wether that be in stats, show placings, color, or conformation) that parent. 

i do like when the pedigree includes horses with real names, but since the pedigree has 0 effect on gameplay beyond personal goals, i really don’t care too much. 

then again, i also don’t mind inbreeding and don’t believe that over-breeding is a bad thing, so take my advice with a grain of salt ;) 


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