Breeding for high SS and low NSS

Hey all! I'm back from a bit of a hiatus and trying to wrap my head around the intricacies of breeding on here a bit more. I wanted to know if anyone can point me to a stat centric breeding guide so that I can achieve those low non specialty stats. Additionally I wanted to know what people typically do to get huge stat gain as well? 

I'm also interested in breeding for confo and not too sure how to pair up for better scores lol I havent really paid attention to it in the past.

I just looked in the game guides, I’m really surprised there isn’t a guide for this! 

I’m dropping my car at the dealership, but am going to come back to this and share my strategy. :)

In this thread you can read about how to get lower NSS:
http://www.equiverse.com/topic.php?id=198918&page=2

I'm still working on getting good at lowering my horses nss, but as for how to get high stats it boils down to a few simple things:

1. Starting EC foundations at 0yo and completing foal training.  This gives the benefit of around 90-100 stats given as soon as your horse hits 3yo and chooses a specialization.

2. Breed horses at the oldest age possible (generally this is mares at the last day of 18, 19, 20yo) depending on the number of foals.  Stallions can be continually frozen at 20y of (aging tomorrow) and locked until the mare hits their year goals to maximize their potential.  This will give foals with the highest birth stats possible for the mare's age.

3. Show horses at the top stats for their bracket. Example: N1 horses between 140-149 stats, N2 horses at 190-199 stats.  I expand on how big that "top stats" bracket is as the amount of stats needed to level is higher.  So for R1 and higher, I go for more around 25 stats before they get to the next grade, and higher brackets I may go up to 50 to 75.  This gives your horse the best chance to place, and therefore get stats.  Note: horses should be fully tacked in 5/5 tack, and always make sure 5 horses are in each show for stats to be awarded.  Also, limiting it to only 3 horses of your own per show makes it so each of them has a chance to place and get stats.  I'll only put more than three of my own into a show if its in danger of not hitting five horses for the show, because it'll at least give some of mine a chance for stats, rather than not at all.  -- any horses not within the brackets should be schooled.

4. Feed, train, and show/school every day you progress, lock if you can't.  Missing a day, especially a show day for a horse, can be giving up huge stat gains.

Other things to play around with: I've found using hay cubes on foundations for their entire life does have a better average of stats over a group of horses than showing/schooling can.  A good show horse will 100% beat out this stat gain, but I had two groups of 16 testing this, and only two horses were at the top and third stat gain overall.  Doing this though, you have to place the horse in the wrong specialization at 3, then eat the 10k retraining cost before breeding.

That being said, don't feed a horse hay or sugar cubes if you plan on showing at all.  Don't breed a horse that has been fed hay cubes, they will create foals that cannot show (at least with any success) and ruin future generations for a very long time.  Only feed treats made for thats horses specialization.

Also, a horse with lower nss (under the foundation levels of 50-60) will do better in shows due to the lower "unnecessary" stats.  If you have a horse with lower nss, they will have a higher range of what considers them to be at the top of their show bracket, and it should be taken into account because you can show them more often and they'll still have a good success rate.

Thats all I can think of atm.  Sorry for any typos, I'm on my phone at 2am.  XD

Thanks so much you guys! Nittrous this post helps a lot, I kept seeing stuff about loading up on stats with special treating, but I still want my horses to be able to go well in shows, so good to know what I'm doing is fine.

No problem!  I'm pretty passionate about good treating practices (aka no cubes) because many of the breeds I'm in (and many breeds I'm not into) have been ruined by owners that feed hay and sugar cubes because of the false stat inflation it gives.  Any distinguished breeder/top showing person on the site will not feed their horses hay cubes, and will not buy horses that have been fed them or had parents fed them.  The horse becomes close to a complete loss, and in my eyes, worth little to nothing.

I will pay good money for a wellbred horse that has been fed regular treats, trained and shown/schooled often, but has slightly lower than max stats for their age because it shows the person who owned and raised it took care in how they did it.

Ah see I've always been confused about how it works, is it that the horses are fed hay and sugar cubes early before they are given a discipline and the stats are redistributed?? or do they just feed them the high stat treats their whole life for overall high stats? I want to be able to tell the difference between horses that have had this done and horses who haven't.

Either way thats good to know most breeders don't approve of it since I much prefer playing the right way with specialized treats for stats. Is there by the way a chart everyone refers to for the stat range horses should be in relative to age? I used to know where it was but I haven't been able to find it recently...

I avoid feeding hay cubes to foundations, but i will continue feeding cubes if i buy or rescue a foundation that was fed cubes.
I only feed hay cubes to a horse that i need to convert to the specialty i raise them for. After they are converted, i stop feeding cubes and start feeding treats that are needed for their specialty.
I will buy horses that have been fed cubes after they are in the specialty i prefer, but never show them. I will try to breed them with foundations to try and correct these problem stats.
My goal for buying them is to try and make it easier for breeders to find horses that don’t have problem stats.

Last edited on 2019-08-18 at 12:34:54 by Wild Horse Lagoon

On the note of haycubese. Foundations in my stables won't ever touch them. But their foals will, until they hit three, so i can convert them with higher stats than the treats for their planned disicpline will give! 

I also will not breed or buy a horse that has been treated its entire life with cubes, or has more than the two SS with high numbers in them, unless exceptionally good conformation and I have a horse that can lower those stats significantly!